tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post2301612806923099024..comments2024-03-28T05:12:12.929-05:00Comments on The Sweetest Frame: Obama, Abortion & Young EvangelicalsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13096462141206310580noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-35689439086392527672008-09-17T12:25:00.000-05:002008-09-17T12:25:00.000-05:00Honestly, Christian voters who see things so black...Honestly, Christian voters who see things so black and white really dodged a bullet. With McCain being the "moderate" he is and the potential of Guiliani being on the ticket at one time, it was entirely plausible that we would have two candidates who are both pro-choice. This WILL eventually happen, so what will be the Christian response? Hide our heads in the sand and not vote?Jeff Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13360301384753597682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-32051371673789723432008-09-17T11:31:00.000-05:002008-09-17T11:31:00.000-05:00I won't be bringing you to council anytime soon. ...I won't be bringing you to council anytime soon. ;)<BR/><BR/>I've thought the same thing. When do you hold unbelievers to a believer's standard? <BR/><BR/>It appears to be the same truth/grace tension. We talked about this in our UnChristian study this morning. We have to stand for truth, but we must demonstrate love in action. It's so hard to find the right balance sometimes.<BR/><BR/>I am really excited though, our study group has set out a project to DO something for somebody, not just talk about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096462141206310580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-80153120798841204342008-09-17T10:54:00.000-05:002008-09-17T10:54:00.000-05:00Here's another question. Why shouldn't people who ...Here's another question. Why shouldn't people who aren't Christians have the choice of whether or not to do wrong? Why should we as Christians tell non Christians that they have to do something we feel is morally in line with the Bible? This is a question, so please don't call me a heretic. :-)Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619131971061069998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-25875960090428817302008-09-16T22:44:00.000-05:002008-09-16T22:44:00.000-05:00I guess I'm in a similar spot. I agree that the pe...I guess I'm in a similar spot. I agree that the person of faith may not always be the best leader. And I'm also tired of people thinking that Evangelical Christian is the same thing as Republican. <BR/><BR/>On the flip side, when I think about the abortion issue it seems so strong to me that I have a hard time looking at the other issues.<BR/><BR/>I guess what I'd like to hear (even hypothetically) are the reasons why pro-life evangelicals might vote for a pro-choice candidate of either party at any level of office. <BR/><BR/>So one reason might be that the candidate is a "stronger" leader. <BR/><BR/>Another reason some have expressed is that there may be less abortions with Obama in office. So even though he is ok with Choice, the practical outcome is better.<BR/><BR/>What other reasons would be used to "justify" voting against your own personal position on abortion?<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for all the comments.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096462141206310580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-73213509176943445682008-09-16T20:02:00.000-05:002008-09-16T20:02:00.000-05:00I've been wrestling with this lately. For example...I've been wrestling with this lately. For example (and I'm not saying this is the current situation, just a hypothetical situation) do you vote for a someone you believe to be a good man, an honest man, and that shows tremendous leadership skills, but is pro-choice? Or, as a Christian, do you vote for someone who claims to have similar theology and moral standards, but appears to be a weak leader, often dishonest, and is pro-life?<BR/><BR/>I still believe that the best Christian isn't always (and some would say "isn't usually") the best leader. I believe it's entirely possible for a candidate to be an incredible person of faith, and a horrible candidate for president.<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to say which candidate I'm supporting. I believe both are good men, but both have hang-ups that Christians need to wrestle with and pray about.Jeff Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13360301384753597682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-8387334127758944502008-09-16T18:52:00.000-05:002008-09-16T18:52:00.000-05:00Not quite sure there is any good that outweighs th...Not quite sure there is any good that outweighs the bad of abortion.<BR/><BR/>You see the disillusionment with the way a stereotypical fundie republican thinks though--abortion is wrong, so I'm republican, and republicans are right, democrats are sinful. Even though republicans obviously do not have everything figured out.<BR/><BR/>It's not like people like Tony Jones and young adults are saying abortion is ok. They're not. It is upsetting for them to think that the GOP would use abortion as a "you have to vote for us because it's your moral obligation" card. They are looking at what the party is actually doing to decrease the number of abortions. They feel like the Bush admin has not done much and is fighting a battle they're not going to win (Roe vs Wade). <BR/><BR/>So since Obama says he wants to decrease the number of abortions, and he uses evidence like the number of abortions during Clinton's term was less than Bush's term, people (even YA evangelicals) listen. <BR/><BR/>From my observation, this is the vein of thinking from YA evangelicals.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619131971061069998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-7742342007494568672008-09-16T18:24:00.000-05:002008-09-16T18:24:00.000-05:00If I follow your reasoning correctly - this is kin...If I follow your reasoning correctly - this is kind of a good outweighs the bad scenario. <BR/><BR/>Which we probably all have to vote this way at some time or another. <BR/><BR/>What good would outweigh the bad of a preemptive strike? <BR/><BR/>What good would outweigh the bad of abortion in America?<BR/><BR/>Thanks for chiming in.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096462141206310580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703679.post-41071840929283988692008-09-16T17:39:00.000-05:002008-09-16T17:39:00.000-05:00The same reason a person who believes preemptive s...The same reason a person who believes preemptive strikes is wrong can vote for someone who advocates that.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619131971061069998noreply@blogger.com